Did Trump Violate the Deportation Order?

Tim Kowal March 19, 2025

A federal judge ordered the Trump administration not to deport five plaintiffs, alleged MS-13 and Tren de Aragua Venezuelan gang members. The administration complied, but then the judge verbally ordered the administration to turn around a plane and return 261 non-party alleged gang members. The administration didn’t do so, and appealed. Meanwhile, the President tweeted that the judge should be impeached. In response, the Chief Justice said that’s not how we do things.

Jeff and Tim react:

Is the President’s determination that the deportees are part of an “invasion or predatory incursion” affiliated with a foreign nation a political question, and thus nonjusticiable? If so, can the President just ship off Rachel Maddow without judicial review?
Was it irregular for 261 non-party alleged gang members to get added to a TRO after an oral motion and no opportunity for briefing?
Was it wise for the court to create a contest between the court and the presidency by verbally demanding planes turn around? Was it wise for the President to tweet in protest against the judge? (To the former: it’s arguable. To the latter: certainly not.)

We then discuss how you can lose your right to appellate fees for being uncivil. And if you are uncivil, does the court expect you to apologize?

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Tim Kowal is an appellate specialist certified by the California State Bar Board of Legal Specialization. Tim helps trial attorneys and clients win their cases and avoid error on appeal. He co-hosts the Cal. Appellate Law Podcast at CALpodcast.com, and publishes summaries of cases and appellate tips for trial attorneys. Contact Tim at [email protected] or (949) 676-9989.

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"At common law, barratry was 'the offense of frequently exciting and stirring up suits and quarrels' (4 Blackstone, Commentaries 134) and was punished as a misdemeanor." — Rubin v. Green (1993) 4 Cal.4th 1187

Show neither partiality to the weak nor deference to the mighty, but judge your fellow men justly. — Leviticus

"It may be that the court is thought to be excessively legalistic. I should be sorry to think that it is anything else." — Hon. Sir Owen Dixon, Chief Justice of Australia

"A judge is a law student who grades his own papers." — H.L. Mencken

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." — Plato (427-347 B.C.)

"Moot points have to be settled somehow, once they get thrust upon us. If an assertion cannot be proved, then it must be settled some other way, and nearly all of these ways are unfair to somebody." —T.H. White, The Once and Future King

"God made the angels to show Him splendor, … Man He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of his mind." — Sir Thomas More in Robert Bolt's A Man for All Seasons

"Upon putting laws into writing, they became even harder to change than before, and a hundred legal fictions rose to reconcile them with reality." — Will Durant